3 Facing Prison Time In $1M Toilet Paper Scam

WEST PALM BEACH (CB4)-A South Florida trio is facing up to two decades in prison after they were allegedly involved in a $1 million toilet paper scam in Palm Beach County.

Federal prosecutors said the three conned elderly customers into buying unnecessary septic products, in some cases more than 70 years worth of toilet paper, CBS4 news partner The Miami Herald reported.

According to the Herald, the three worked for FBK Products of West Palm Beach. They told more than a dozen of their victims that they needed the company’s special toilet paper to avoid ruining their septic tanks. They told their victims that the federal government changed regulations on toilet paper, the Herald reported. The federal government, though, does not regulate septic tank products.

In phone pitches, salespeople claimed the company was affiliated with the Environmental Protection Agency, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the U.S. Department of Agriculture. One product, the $199 Septic Remedy treatment, would eliminate the need to have their tanks pumped, the company claimed.

Victims were also told that they needed special soap, detergent and toilet paper or their septic tanks would not pass federal inspection, the Herald reported. But the EPA does not regulate septic tank products, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office.

Three of the suspects, Christopher Lincoln, Mary Moore and Joseph Nouerand, this week pleaded guilty in federal court to conspiring to commit wire fraud. They agreed to cooperate with prosecutors and will be sentenced in February.

Three other employees are awaiting trial.

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  1. JoeAstroturf says:

    This shouldn’t be a crime. By Sheryl Crows standards thats only 5 rolls.

    Check out song called “teapartiers I can’t hear you” on youtube

    Here’s a verse

    Baucus is threatening insurance companies Obama the CBO
    Medicare Advantage and free speech is about to go
    He’d rather see people in our forts , planes and La liberty building die
    then to see a muslim terrorist get water in his eye
    All the insane and pervert czars and the communist ones too
    are surprised how easily they took us without even a coup

  2. sharon pendleton says:

    This is an interesting story. I hope the Government pinheads don’t get any big ideas about regulating toilet paper after reading this.

    1. jjj says:

      They already have sharon. It’s called CONGRESSIONAL action.

    2. GEL says:

      Thats the sad part of this story. These people were so scared of the government, they fell for this scam. Maybe if our federal government weren’t so overeaching………

      1. Nancy Irving says:

        Rather, maybe if they didn’t listen to Rush so much.

        It’s only in their fevered imaginations, ginned up by conservative talk-radio and Fox, that the govt is overreaching.

        These people knew how to scam conservative geezers–blame the EPA!

    3. Typical White Person says:

      Perhaps they can donate the TP to the occupoopers.

    4. raf says:

      They already do in federal prison you are give one roll per week no matter what, extras are confiscated i know i was there!!

  3. steve5150 says:

    If the feds don,t regulate toilet paper it is because they overlooked it. If they see this article they will have regulations drawn up in a week.

    1. biskitts says:

      Well, at the very least, one term NJ governor Jim Florio put a tax on toilet paper back in 1990.

      Guess it’s not hard to understand why he was only a one term governor, huh?

  4. John C says:

    “suspects, Christopher Lincoln, Mary Moore and Joseph Nouerand,”

    Are they Muslims? I have to ask since Islam is not a race but a religion where anyone can join. Islamic extremists declared war on the United States in the early 90s. Nothing should be off the table once comes to national security. Call me stupid, but even stupid people should be vigilant about national security.

      1. Chuck says:

        Should be “you’re”. Pot, kettle, black?

    1. mgbincn says:

      You are stupid.

    2. Toilet Paper scofflaw says:

      O.K. I’ll bite. You’re stupid.

  5. NY9Solyndra says:

    Sounds just like the Dem Party scam for health care, student loans, etc..

    1. Scarf says:

      Sounds like you’re an idiot that needs to get back on your meds and off mommy’s computer.

      1. thomas says:

        Sounds more like you than anything.

      2. Regulas says:

        No, the sarcasm has a base in facts, a great place here and you are a tool leftist dunkoff, look it it up.

      3. jjj says:

        Scarf. Too bad you didn’t leave any meds for anyone else. Does your mommy know you’re here? Don’t miss the SHORT BUS home from school.

  6. old dude says:

    And John Corzine walks the street.

  7. freecheese says:

    I’m 64-years old. I’ve always believed that these older poeple who get scamed were stupid before they grew old.
    I have an 86-year old father – in – law. You can’t scam this guy ! He’s sharp.
    Yes, I understand dementia, but you can’t convince me that everybod over a certain age can’t make sensible decisions .

    1. George Johnson says:

      It’s not so much stupidity, as it is they’re just more trusting.
      They grew up in a different time, when people trusted what other people said, and in different areas, where people didn’t think about locking their doors.
      Yeah, it sounds a bit like stupidity. But they got a phone call, from somebody that sounded like they knew what they were talking about, were connected to the government (and should know), and probably sounded like nice people, with good products.
      Why have people bought into the global warming hoax? Why do people by magnets to alleviate pain and make them stronger/ Why do people STILL believe in government schools?
      They were scammed, they’re not stupid.

      1. Bearcat says:

        I’m 61 and find it sad that someone has no compassion for elderly people being duped.

    2. Bearcat says:

      Who is trying to convince you that everybod over a certain age can’t make sensible decisions?

    3. Gregg says:

      Looks like you did not get wiser as you got older. Sad.

    4. Japes Macfarland says:

      You feel this way, freecheese, probably because you are a secular leftist, Statist, etc. and therefore have no empathy for the more trusting, traditional Americans amongst us.

    5. chubchub says:

      Now they need to move on to AARP and jail those criminal scam artists.

  8. quagga53 says:

    “The federal government, though, does not regulate septic tank products.” It doesn’t?! You mean, there is something they don’t regulate? Unbelievable. ‘Course, with this story – the cats out of he bag.

    1. Deb says:

      Now that the government knows they do not currently regulate septic tanks they will close that loophole!

      1. CommonSensePls says:

        Yep…here comes the doody tax!

    2. chubchub says:

      Given the state of our present form of government, you’d think they would have started in the sewers and septic tanks.

  9. PhillyKen says:

    Sounds like Amway…

    1. chubchub says:

      Your failure in life is mitigated one post at a time.

      1. jjj says:

        Just following your lead there…chubchub.

  10. michael says:

    70 years of T.P ? Now that is something to pass along as an inheritence !

    1. K B says:

      Would that fall under the estate tax, or would it be doody-free?? *groan*

      1. Lazybum says:

        That were a good un!

    2. jjj says:

      70 years? Sounds like the IRS code books have finally been exposed…ONE SHEET at a time.

  11. EllsworthT says:

    What’s more pathetic is government regulating toilet paper is actually believable. I sure hope these crooks haven’t given the despots in D.C. any new ideas!

    1. jjj says:

      Don’t worry. NOBODY in D.C. EVER gets a New Idea. But new rolls of TP on each desk in the Senate, and on the floor in the OVAL ORIFICE is a start…slippery though it may be.

  12. SouthBronxKid says:

    The most successful salesmen throughout history have convinced people to purchase products they really don’t need…but now it’s a federal crime punishable by 2 decades in prison. USA: 5%of the world’s population and 25% of the world’s prisoners. We are doomed !!!

  13. wet sand says:

    One sock full of wet sand and 60 minutes is all that is needed.

  14. cuban_expat says:

    I’d like to know their ethnicity. Most of these crooks are Cuban expatriates who lost to Fidel the Liberator. Consequently they’re only here to establish a Commie paradise. Just look around.

    1. Gregg says:

      I doubt they are Cuban expats with names like Christopher Lincoln, Mary Moore and Joseph Nouerand. I think it is despicable though to prey on the elderly and actually think the punishment for elder fraud and abuse should reflect larger penalties and jail time.

      1. Achilles says:

        I too finf it dispicable that people will prey on the elderly for financial gain. However, the elderly in this case were to blame for this act of stupidity. At their age they should have known better not to verify all claims made by salespeople. It’s oly human nature. As President Reagon said “trust but verify”.

    2. bob says:

      Why are you so stupid?

  15. TD says:

    What is sad is how believable it is that the Federal Govt would regulate what you flush into a septic tank.

    1. sweetlips says:

      It’s coming…they’re already regulating light bulbs.

  16. Twyla Tish-Hu says:

    Look on the bright side: These old-timers won’t have to duel with the likes of Mr. Whipple ever again.

    1. sharon pendleton says:

      Good one.LOL Twyla

  17. poorhardworker says:

    I’m sorry…this is despicable ! Preying on people that did their best for 70+ years….what has this country become? I will answer my own question: Devoid of any compassion!

    1. thomas says:

      Thank your current president for the way its fashionable to lie,cheat and steal.His moo-moo wife makes it vogue to embzle money at a break-neck speed.Dont worry, he will pardon them if they are remotely connected to current lend to bankrupt company program.

  18. sweetlips says:

    Actually, those scam artists are not far from the truth.
    The government is already telling us what kind of light bulbs we MUST use.

    1. Sana Terry 'Hy' Jean says:

      “The government is already telling us what kind of light bulbs we MUST use.”

      To wipe our butts?

      I think I prefer tulip bulbs.

      Those curly ones scare me…

  19. kpr says:

    The Federal Gov’t, State Gov’ts and Local Govts, meanwhile; are all asking themselves: “Why didn’t we come up with this scam first??? Quick – Draft new legislation!! We must regulate what goes in septic tanks and charge special tax on toilet paper! The idiot Americans will accept it – this proves it!

  20. stoptouchingthatmabel says:

    Whether the elderly victims should have known better does not matter the scam was on and the trio tried to rip these people off put them in jail and throw away the toilet paper for them.

  21. Fred says:

    But the government does tell us what kind of toilets we must use … This doesn’t sound all that far fetched as to something the government would try to do. It’s only a matter of time until they tell us what kind of TP paper to use.

  22. Oldmean Veteran says:

    Oldsters that stupid should have their voting privileges pulled.

  23. mike says:

    they must be democrats

    1. jjj says:

      Democrats use TP in place of MONOPOLY Money. Better known as the Obama Economic Principle. Watch Out. Soon Obama will be forced to BORROW TP from the Chinese. He won’t know which hand to us when WIPING.

  24. iet says:

    quit knoxing the dems. its getting old. i think you people have something better to do with it than being stupid.

  25. CommonSensePls says:

    And I thought Obama followers put him on a pedestal…. Ron Paul is a god to his.
    They also seem to love to call other people names instead of making the case for Paul….typical lack of critical thinking skills and “vote for our guy” because he isn’t “insert some disparaging name here” mentality.
    The only impact Paul would make if he ran would to deliver Obama a win in a close election by siphoning off votes from the other viable candidate. Of course, there’s no chance of that if we consider the mid-terms the writing on the wall for 2012.

    1. EllsworthT says:

      You have to admit it, though, you’d love to have a Ron Paul presidency, right? Can you imagine how much better off this country would be without the Education, Energy, and Commerce Departments? How about cutting the corporate tax rate to 15 percent? Suppose young people were given the freedom to opt out of the Social Security ponzi scheme? Or imagine no longer subsidizing foreign countries? I don’t know if Americans could handle that much freedom. We certainly don’t deserve it!

  26. motorman says:

    at least they will not have to run out to the store when they hear a storm is coming.

  27. Rick O'Shea says:

    Anyway, they have a leacy.

  28. Dave says:

    With Obama and the rest of his crazies running the show, I can see how these elderly people got scammed. There’s ridiculous new rules and regulations every day.

    If someone put together a list of 5 real rules and regluations that Obama (or one of his stooges like Cass Sunstein) put together and 5 fake rules designed to look real, most people couldn’t tell the difference between the real ones and the fake ones. These are the same people who recently tried to implement a tax on Christmas trees. Who would have thought that was real without knowing?

  29. 4grandma says:

    The government will regulate TP before to long… unless we bote out B.O. in 2012

  30. Armond says:

    @ CommonSensePls & iet

    Viable candidates? Romney has flopped on issues so many times it’s embarrasing, Newt took “cosulting”(tax) money of 1.3 million from the Govt. on Freddy Mac, Cain already has sexual assault allegations and is an ex-fed chief…..what viable candidates. Wake up. If you keep listening to the Lame stream media like you do they will convince you that we need more of the same. what has changed between Bush and Obama except going from 10 trillion in nation debt to 15 trillion? and adding 3 more wars we cant afford.

  31. Andre says:

    Did they actually break a law, or was this just an immoral lie?

  32. HD says:

    These fraudsters deserve at least a severe beating if for no other reason than for giving the apparatchiks at the EPA an idea of something else they can sink their regulating teeth into.

  33. Bob Jenkins says:

    I really despise Obama and would never vote for him, but you people who relate every story in the news to Obama are seriously psychologically disturbed. You are like robots stuck in a feedback loop. Jump off a bridge.

    1. thomas says:

      you first with your pseudo-intellectual views.

  34. Chris says:

    Holy smokes!! Something the Federal Government doesn’t regulate!

  35. American Patriot says:

    Pick their old bones clean! That’s Reaganomics! Something all Americans who love freedom and the American way of life, can agree on. I am totally in favor of Social Darwinism, and so are all true Patriotic American Citizens! God bless America and it’s Lord and Savior… Ronald Reagan.

  36. buddy says:

    it be worth its weight in gold with the coming collapse

  37. robertg says:

    If you are trying to get somebody to trust you don’t mention the EPA. They tell more lies than the con artist do.

  38. Steve says:

    If they got money for a global warming scam, they’d be guests at the White House.

  39. AFSGTSAM says:

    The fact is this country is so regulated and domintated by big government it is easy to believe that they would tell us what kind of TP to use. This is beliveable espectially to big government democrats.

  40. Joel says:

    Those con artists would make great radio sales-types!

  41. Dave says:

    That’s a lot of TP! It was probably single ply, too!

  42. MetaCynic says:

    They’re not criminals. They’re prophets!

  43. speedy says:

    west palm beach says it all!

  44. John says:

    >>> The federal government, though, does not regulate septic tank products

    Shocking. Isn’t the federal government supposed to be in charge of EVERYTHING? If they can regulate how much water I can use to flush a turd, tyhere are noi limits to their authority.

    We are slaves.

  45. Agent Meatball says:

    I bet those criminals thought they were on a “roll” ripping people off like that. I wonder what convinced the victims to take the plunge and buy all that toilet paper?

    Well, now I guess those crooks, once flush with cash, are now all washed up. Too bad all those elderly victims were wiped out financially. This just stinks.

  46. August says:

    Banks con old people into 30 year mortgages all the time…

  47. Mr. Gerbick says:

    … would eliminate the need to have their tanks pumped…

    Hahahahaha! I’ve never lived in a place with septic tanks, and even I know that doesn’t make any sense!

    Dumbest victims ever!

  48. Gorand says:

    Facing 20 years of imprisonment for selling toilet paper to gullible people?! That’s absurd. Typical.

  49. Jewfromhell says:

    Is Bernie Maddoff back in business? If I were a rich man,yaba ba ba ba ba bum.

  50. MC says:

    phillyken and KB – that is old and your comment lacks any integrity.

  51. Marybell says:

    First light bulbs-which cost $4.99 a bulb at Big Lots- and since this story is now OUT THERE, 2nd will be Toilet Paper. Someone in Washington will read this and first thing, the POTUS will sign is an Executive Order allowing only 2 sheets per person for #2 and drip dry for #1. GO Sherly Crow.

  52. Government pinhead says:

    Hmmmmm Regulate Toilet Paper ???

  53. John Galt says:

    This might turn out to be a wise investment at the rate things are going.

  54. John Galt says:

    What’s the difference between toilet paper and a dollar? Toilet paper is worth something…

  55. chalma says:

    With all the overreaching government I don’t blame those ‘elderly folk’ for falling for it…

  56. Flinty says:

    Reading these comments is depressing. The 99% are idiots.

  57. Texasbil says:

    All salesmen do that, since when has that been a crime??? They would have to arrest half of America to enforce that rule.

  58. Chippy55 says:

    Old people are so dumb. You only need 35 years of toilet paper, not 70.

  59. B says:

    These people and more are duped by the government and those close to it every day. That’s why this scam worked. Well until the government found out about it and did something because after all, it hates competition.

  60. oatmeal says:

    Democrats, republicans,who really cares!!! There are all the same, they feed us lies and make false promises in order to be elected and when they get there they forget about us. They tax us to death and while people can bearly afford to eat and pay for health care they earn seven figure salaries while our troops are earning welfare wages. Give me a break. Their gonna start taxing us to breathe soon. The stronger the government the wiser the people. They devide the American people and while we get upset and fight one another the sit back and fill their pockets!!! Its all the same B.S. We just call it Dems and Repubs. Wake up people.

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